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Just Boris's avatar

A very in depth and excellent analysis/discussion Mr Hobbit. The left has indeed departed the zone of free speech and tolerance, including in academia where I suspect you and I have differing views (as to the degree of cancelling of 'heretical' non-woke academic opinion). The problem society faces with wokery is that the majority of families are traditional/conservative (having kids reinforces this) and that establishes a sense of fairness. This is then exploited by the left ('be kind'...) and the inch given becomes a country mile. Thus homosexual reform (was needed) slides into filthy perversions such as Trans idiocy or Minor Attracted Persons (sick pedos by any other name). MLK's righteous crusade is now perverted into BLM. Caring for the planet is distorted into APGW scams. Concern for the weak gets twisted into contempt for the strong (eg Gaza v Israel). (All aided by complicit media...)

Speech should indeed be free (with usual caveats not to incite violence etc) but 'hate speech' ends up simply being speech the left hates. Throw in 2-tier political/legal activism and that gets Lucy Connolly 3 years in jail for an angry tweet or people holding Israeli flags threats of arrest. Our Section 4 (1)(c) of the SO Act (for example) is an open door that I fear would give Boris a conviction for simply and correctly identifying an ignorant fucktard in public.

We need wise leaders and judiciary to draw those grey lines carefully for the common good. Instead we have a bunch of cowardly politicians and activist f-wit judges pushing their own agendas. Is 1984 here to stay, or is there some hope?

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Peter's avatar

Thanks for addressing this difficult subject, David. I wholeheartedly agree your excellent conclusion, especially your closing sentence:

"...I can accept that speech can have consequences. But that lies not in the fact of speech itself, but in the resonances and result that the ideas communicated by speech may cause. But to make that causative link directly, as Mount does with the mass murdered manifestos is too much. Causation is deeper than that. I would prefer to be able to hear the ideas and assess them rather than have them crushed. But then I grew up in the “sticks and stones” generation when we were a little more resilient to stupid speech..."

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