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Arran Hunt's avatar

I haven't read Andrea Vance's article, due to the paywall, so I can't really comment on it.

However, as someone who has acted and appeared for people under the civil regime, going back to the very first hearing under the civil regime, the current process is not fit for purpose. Yes, it provides the tools to get a partially outcome. However, the process to obtain that outcome can be long, arduous, and often expensive. The outcome itself is relatively toothless. It provides applicants with a choice of spending a lot of money to have posts removed that, by the time they are removed after several sets of orders, will have already caused the maximum level of harm. Removal at that point is practically pointless and a hollow victory. The process itself can continue the harm.

Of course, many of these posts are made with the intent to cause harm. Assuming serious emotional distress is suffered, it should then become a criminal matter. Yet, many police continue to take the view that harm created online is not real. At least the 2022 amendment forced more action when it came to intimate visual material, though the failings of that amendment are another issue.

There is certainly no reason for anyone to post messages of the type being discussed, as there is never any need for personal attacks. If they don't cause harm, as defined, then the legislation allows it as a support to freedom of expression. If they do cause harm, and that was the intent, it needs to be handled under the criminal regime. For someone getting abuse from multiple people, many anonymous, the civil regime does not provide a realistic solution.

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Graeme Edgeler's avatar

The line about falsehood needing to be proved might come from some imprecision of language on my part? Was comparing the use of the HDCA and defamation law in a particular context, but obviously the HDCA, when used for something like a privacy claim, it being true won't remove liability.

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