PS Unfortunately the "gotcha" style of interviewing is now endemic in pretty much all media. It's more akin to target practice than actual interviewing.
I did listen to the whole shebang & it only reinforced my decision to abandon Morning Report some yrs ago.
Dann said he was my advocate at one point but this combat wasn't advocacy. An MP & our DPM deserves space & respect.
For many decades society has negotiated separate public facilities with little bother, the social progression that was their creation in the first place. No doubt a tiny fraction of transvestite men have slipped through the cracks. The overreach by political transvestism in the last while has got us to this ludicrous place.
Heard it live and Mr Dann reminded me of a gobbling turkey his affront was so great. He should have known better than to be so combative with Mr Peters, and your last sentence says it all.
Loved it! I'd love it even more if Liam Dann, or any journalist regularly got really combative with politicians from the Greens or Labour/National and had a bare knuckles debate over 'net zero'. More please!
I just wish to see Dann treating all other Polys (to start with: Jones, Swarbrick, any from Te Pati Maori, or Hipkins) with the same vigour and tone. Then RNZ could hold its head high and claim "Balance "
It's important to also listen to the follow-up interview by Ingrid Hipkiss with Chris Hipkins.
You can see the contrast. It's a 'soft-ball' interview with very little interjection and no challenge of the gross misrepresentation of the UK Supreme Court case by Hipkins (Did Ingrid actually know the facts of that case which RNZ had just done a report on??).
Hipkins tries to argue that the case was about DEI, when it was clearly about the biological definition of women - something that Hipkins still can't define correctly.
Radio NZ can go hard on interviewees, but it needs to be both sides.
I caught the interview live and was shocked (as a barely occasional listener of RNZ after being a devotee for decades) when Dann lost his temper and proceeded to lecture the DPM on how well he (Dann) did his job! Bring back Geoffrey Robinson and his style PLEASE, RNZ
Excellent summary of a heated discussion - actually from memory I believe Corin Dann has 'challenged' Winston before. Love the title of your article ''That Interview''.
I like Winston, not least because he has taken this issue seriously. But I would like to see him reign himself in a little..... As if! Incidentally Tracey Martin was rather annoyed about Winston's remarks about her and has put up a video on Facebook outlining how she handled the matter of the proposed legislation in 2021. I support and agree with her in this because I followed it quite closely at the time.
I was more concerned with Dan’s performance than that of Peter’s about which I commented. News media interviewers need to be more dispassionate and objective, even in the face of Peter’s deflections. That was the focus of the article.
Thanks for the comment. I have been invited as a guest panelist on RCRs 4th Estate so that may mean I have an interest. But I don’t listen to them or the Platform where I have also guested on a regular basis. So analysing RCR would involve a bit of research.
That said I have some concerns about Campbell’s series on Destiny. Clearly advocacy journalism aimed at trying to have their charitable status cancelled.
Thanks for the advice. My concern about “That Interview” was the inability of Dann to remain aloof and objective when Peter’s moved into deflection mode. Cross examination skills would help.
As to RCR - first my concern about media is with the reliability of Mainstream Media as the 4th Estate - something that is questionable.
Secondly I think RCR and the Platform fulfil a useful purpose given that they often put forward a contrarian view.
Thirdly and following on in such a situation the audience is able to hear both sides (Audi alteram partem) which is important.
I have a few projects in the pipeline at the moment but if I feel so inclined I will give RCR a look. I don’t mind hard work but Substack writing is a pleasure project for me. The Listener column is the one that brings the $$ rewards.
Unfortunately, Sandra, your obvious personal dislike of Winston Peters detracts from your opinion of the interview and this article. Bringing in discussion of RCR is irrelevant.
For me, I have noticed for some years that earnest Corin Dann has a rather thin skin and can be surprisingly reactive if criticized. This interview with Winston Peters only showcased that aspect of his style. I find it surprising that he has not been given advice as in this article before - to keep his distance emotionally and stay on track with his subject matter or "game plan". And I don't think in Corin's case he is deliberately "Gotcha", but that he lacks the skill to stay focused when his emotions are aroused.
Meanwhile, Winston Peters has always had the ability to stay on his feet in an argument, and I think at base always has the good of NZ at heart - even if his plan for achieving that is not shared by all. One way I feel that he always walks away unscathed is that he time and again demonstrates his sense of humour is never far below the surface - something that cannot be said for many politicians or journalists. So he maintains the ability to manoeuvre at will, especially when confronted.
Maybe all professional interviewers need to see interviewing Winston Peters with grace and eliciting clear information from him as a top level skill in keeping their cool and staying on topic.
Thanks, Aroha. I think in New Zealand we have long had a form of the "Trump Derangement Syndrome" in the mainstream media, and among its avid followers, with regards to Winston Peters . There appears to be a total inability to remove bias from assessment and a rigidity in being judgmental about others with differing views. I happen to think this "in a bubble thinking" and resulting self righteousness is way more dangerous to community cohesion than any disliked politician.
It should be possible to acknowledge positives as well as call out negatives about a person in the public eye. And Winston Peters has had many achievements on behalf of New Zealand, as a Minister of Foreign Affairs, at the very least.
Thankfully I see many, like myself, have withdrawn as viewers of TV1 and other mainstream mediums, like The Listener, because we just cannot trust them to run a dispassionate and accurate feed of information. And I was amazed how much more time I had, and how much less stressed I felt, when I gave away being drawn to the screen for the "News" every evening. With manipulation of "News" as it is, I have no doubt it adds to mental health issues among those who watch it.
For me, it is not any one issue that drove me away, but that most issues are treated very emotively and from a narrow viewpoint. Every mainstream "star" interviewer appears to believe pushing their own philosophy is integral to their interviewing job. I miss the old journalism gold standard of presenting factually accurate news and leaving out personal opinion - except in feature articles..
Again, well said. Your last para sums it up perfectly. To be honest, I begin to wonder what/how they're taught in journalism courses. It certainly isn't "don't print anything as fact unless you can verify it otherwise label it as opinion."
PS Unfortunately the "gotcha" style of interviewing is now endemic in pretty much all media. It's more akin to target practice than actual interviewing.
I did listen to the whole shebang & it only reinforced my decision to abandon Morning Report some yrs ago.
Dann said he was my advocate at one point but this combat wasn't advocacy. An MP & our DPM deserves space & respect.
For many decades society has negotiated separate public facilities with little bother, the social progression that was their creation in the first place. No doubt a tiny fraction of transvestite men have slipped through the cracks. The overreach by political transvestism in the last while has got us to this ludicrous place.
Good men don't enter female spaces.
Heard it live and Mr Dann reminded me of a gobbling turkey his affront was so great. He should have known better than to be so combative with Mr Peters, and your last sentence says it all.
Loved it! I'd love it even more if Liam Dann, or any journalist regularly got really combative with politicians from the Greens or Labour/National and had a bare knuckles debate over 'net zero'. More please!
I just wish to see Dann treating all other Polys (to start with: Jones, Swarbrick, any from Te Pati Maori, or Hipkins) with the same vigour and tone. Then RNZ could hold its head high and claim "Balance "
It's important to also listen to the follow-up interview by Ingrid Hipkiss with Chris Hipkins.
You can see the contrast. It's a 'soft-ball' interview with very little interjection and no challenge of the gross misrepresentation of the UK Supreme Court case by Hipkins (Did Ingrid actually know the facts of that case which RNZ had just done a report on??).
Hipkins tries to argue that the case was about DEI, when it was clearly about the biological definition of women - something that Hipkins still can't define correctly.
Radio NZ can go hard on interviewees, but it needs to be both sides.
I caught the interview live and was shocked (as a barely occasional listener of RNZ after being a devotee for decades) when Dann lost his temper and proceeded to lecture the DPM on how well he (Dann) did his job! Bring back Geoffrey Robinson and his style PLEASE, RNZ
Excellent summary of a heated discussion - actually from memory I believe Corin Dann has 'challenged' Winston before. Love the title of your article ''That Interview''.
I like Winston, not least because he has taken this issue seriously. But I would like to see him reign himself in a little..... As if! Incidentally Tracey Martin was rather annoyed about Winston's remarks about her and has put up a video on Facebook outlining how she handled the matter of the proposed legislation in 2021. I support and agree with her in this because I followed it quite closely at the time.
I was more concerned with Dan’s performance than that of Peter’s about which I commented. News media interviewers need to be more dispassionate and objective, even in the face of Peter’s deflections. That was the focus of the article.
Thanks for the comment. I have been invited as a guest panelist on RCRs 4th Estate so that may mean I have an interest. But I don’t listen to them or the Platform where I have also guested on a regular basis. So analysing RCR would involve a bit of research.
That said I have some concerns about Campbell’s series on Destiny. Clearly advocacy journalism aimed at trying to have their charitable status cancelled.
Thanks for the advice. My concern about “That Interview” was the inability of Dann to remain aloof and objective when Peter’s moved into deflection mode. Cross examination skills would help.
As to RCR - first my concern about media is with the reliability of Mainstream Media as the 4th Estate - something that is questionable.
Secondly I think RCR and the Platform fulfil a useful purpose given that they often put forward a contrarian view.
Thirdly and following on in such a situation the audience is able to hear both sides (Audi alteram partem) which is important.
I have a few projects in the pipeline at the moment but if I feel so inclined I will give RCR a look. I don’t mind hard work but Substack writing is a pleasure project for me. The Listener column is the one that brings the $$ rewards.
Unfortunately, Sandra, your obvious personal dislike of Winston Peters detracts from your opinion of the interview and this article. Bringing in discussion of RCR is irrelevant.
For me, I have noticed for some years that earnest Corin Dann has a rather thin skin and can be surprisingly reactive if criticized. This interview with Winston Peters only showcased that aspect of his style. I find it surprising that he has not been given advice as in this article before - to keep his distance emotionally and stay on track with his subject matter or "game plan". And I don't think in Corin's case he is deliberately "Gotcha", but that he lacks the skill to stay focused when his emotions are aroused.
Meanwhile, Winston Peters has always had the ability to stay on his feet in an argument, and I think at base always has the good of NZ at heart - even if his plan for achieving that is not shared by all. One way I feel that he always walks away unscathed is that he time and again demonstrates his sense of humour is never far below the surface - something that cannot be said for many politicians or journalists. So he maintains the ability to manoeuvre at will, especially when confronted.
Maybe all professional interviewers need to see interviewing Winston Peters with grace and eliciting clear information from him as a top level skill in keeping their cool and staying on topic.
Well said.
Thanks, Aroha. I think in New Zealand we have long had a form of the "Trump Derangement Syndrome" in the mainstream media, and among its avid followers, with regards to Winston Peters . There appears to be a total inability to remove bias from assessment and a rigidity in being judgmental about others with differing views. I happen to think this "in a bubble thinking" and resulting self righteousness is way more dangerous to community cohesion than any disliked politician.
It should be possible to acknowledge positives as well as call out negatives about a person in the public eye. And Winston Peters has had many achievements on behalf of New Zealand, as a Minister of Foreign Affairs, at the very least.
Thankfully I see many, like myself, have withdrawn as viewers of TV1 and other mainstream mediums, like The Listener, because we just cannot trust them to run a dispassionate and accurate feed of information. And I was amazed how much more time I had, and how much less stressed I felt, when I gave away being drawn to the screen for the "News" every evening. With manipulation of "News" as it is, I have no doubt it adds to mental health issues among those who watch it.
For me, it is not any one issue that drove me away, but that most issues are treated very emotively and from a narrow viewpoint. Every mainstream "star" interviewer appears to believe pushing their own philosophy is integral to their interviewing job. I miss the old journalism gold standard of presenting factually accurate news and leaving out personal opinion - except in feature articles..
Again, well said. Your last para sums it up perfectly. To be honest, I begin to wonder what/how they're taught in journalism courses. It certainly isn't "don't print anything as fact unless you can verify it otherwise label it as opinion."