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Just Boris's avatar

An interesting discussion. Coincidentally I only recently viewed that clip when it popped up on one of my feeds. It was indeed a good watch.

I remain convinced that western civilisation, built upon the religious morals and ethical frameworks of Judaism and Christianity, provides the best opportunity to humans for a functional and satisfying life. Sure, there are some other places that do quite well in terms of function (eg Japan), but they have their own issues. (Lovely people, but not as free culturally as the west.) Not many other cultures do anywhere near as well.

It all comes down to what one feels is the pivotal criterion (criteria perhaps) for a 'good life'. And as an ardent theist I subscribe to 'freedom' as the most important of 'gifts'. We were given that freedom (according to my worldview story...) and the rest is up to us. Without freedom, life cannot flourish. America is a beacon of light for the freedom of humanity. There have been a bunch of arseholes along the way, but its core values are the design of some wise heads.

I like Americans, many don't. They have some issues, occasionally a lack of external experience, but damn they are generally very good people. That was my experience at least over a half dozen visits.

Anyone who cherishes said freedoms, must surely share my desire for our western societies to return to our core values. The US (& NZ!) have indeed gone backwards, hopefully we have not fallen too far to recover.

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Mike Houlding's avatar

But it can be. What's diminished the USA ? Post-modernism. It suggests that everything is a structure and that good and evil are the biggest constructs. MAGA. Look to Israel defending itself and defeating the mediaeval mullahs. But then look there and close to home at the destruction of the nuclear family - and our domestic construct of the whanau. The USA though is still exceptional - the city on the hill - because of its impeccable foundation.

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